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The Fool You Follow

Sunday night we were attempting to finish up 25man Naxx and found ourselves at Thaddius. We quickly discovered that this fight is our new guild gear check as well as ability check.

For those of you that haven’t experienced 25man Thaddius he has 30 million health. If you don’t first have the DPS and then don’t stack, you’re gonna die. On the last attempt I was able to be a part of, I announced at one minute left “We’re gonna die” and laughed. People were shocked when all but maybe three people died instantly. Clearly people aren’t using Deadly Boss Mods or were unaware that Thaddius has an enrage timer. 🙂

Anyway back to the story at hand, after the first wipe our Raid Leader took some time to start explaining the fight a little more indepth and how important it was to make sure you are on the right side of Thaddius at the right time. (We use a positive right, negative left, two point approach.)

Visual Aids

visual-aidOur RL decided to illustrate this so people understood clearly. He had our main tank stand in position, put a mark over his head, and demonstrated how close EVERYONE should be to the boss so as to avoid transferring the chain lightning to the other side AND so you have sufficient time to run to the other side when your charge changes. (Thaddius has a huge hit box if you aren’t aware and you can stand about 10yds away.)

Our RL then wanted us to demonstrate that as we transfer to the other side we should stay to our right a little as we run around Thaddius. This helps mitigate some damage that usually occurs if you run right through him.

Kindergarten Is For Children

So we set it up. We called out for everyone to stack up and try this and inevitably a few people weren’t listening and stood there. So we waited while people grouped up so we could all understand this correctly and inevitably there’s always one that thinks…

    [Raid] [Raider #25]: this is childish

To which my response was that it didn’t matter as we wanted to ensure that every single person understood the nature of this fight. I’m not sure they truly believed that at our level even one DPS dying would mean a wipe. Remember, I said they were shocked at the enrage. But eventually we got everyone to demonstrate it.

So we attempted Thaddius again and lo and behold!

I started on the negative side and saw no less than 4 people on my side standing way too far away from the boss. The furthest out was a healer and by the time I asked for people to group up the charges hit and several people on both sides knocked out about a third of the raid.

What do we learn from this experience? That it may have been “childish”, but there were still some people that didn’t quite understand after the explanation and the demonstration. Now we’ve got experience to better explain the fight again.

The Fool

Obviously Raider #25 thought the whole demonstration before the boss foolish as he clearly understood what was going on and was eager to get on with it. But what he didn’t realize or refused to accept was that others didn’t understand it and needed that little bit of help as it became more obvious after the second wipe when people still made the same mistakes we tried to avoid. So the real fool was Raider #25.

Fortunately that night we didn’t have another type of fool, the angry fool: the guy that yells* and screams at all the bloody idiots out there that can’t get out of the fire. The guy that drives morale down even as he thinks he’s motivating everyone to do better. The guy that leads the pack for the rest of those that avoided a mistake giving us the impression that it’s OK for the rest of us to cuss you out for making a mistake, not listening, being a NOOB, and being downright derogatory.

So the question is:

the fool, or the fool who follows him?

Who's the more foolish: The fool, or the fool who follows him?

*I understand and agree that there are times we need to yell to get a point across, but I do not condone name-calling, cussing people out, publicly ridiculing someone, or treating someone with disrespect. Regardless of how some people may feel that it encourages improvement, I believe that it encourages bitterness, resentment, and destruction of morale. There are ways to encourage improvement by calling people out without embarassing them, ridiculing them, or generally being a complete ass. BE RESPECTFUL! (My final notice, btw.)


5 Responses

  1. lol….BoO is funny, there’s a couple of us who will see and find out how many ways we can rephase and/or mock what the GM is saying while explaining a fight.

    This may or may not be helpful. 😉

  2. Yikes, I think I was in a pug with Raider 25 last night!

    You’re right though, it may seem simplistic to use people or flares or something to demonstrate positioning (and maybe boring if you’ve been there before), but for anyone really interested in completing the encounter with anyone who hasn’t done it before, it’s very very useful for the group to be on the same page.

  3. @ Ambrosyne – there is a difference between goofing off and just being disrespectful. For example, we have an ongoing “douchebag” joke because of the hardcore raider that helped us used that term often. 🙂

  4. I don’t know about your guild, but in my guild we were expected to go read up on the Naxx boss and watch videos of it , it really speeds up the time spends if everyone just do their homework…

  5. Unfortunately, not everyone actually does their homework. 😦

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